Steven Weill

Not CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy)

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Michael
@curious
It sounds like you (or someone you know) had a bad experience with CBT. I'm sorry to hear that. :( As I see it, CBT is deeply connected to CG Jung's insights and embodied techniques. There's no conflict here. Happy to elaborate if interested.
Steven Weill
@weill
Feel free to! I'm working off of so much more than personal experience here. I studied psychology extensively, was raised by two therapists, and have been entrenched in the community for my entire life. Friends/former colleagues of literally hundreds of therapists who have not a single positive thing to say about the modality. I deeply believe that one of the single biggest factors keeping people from trying therapy is the perception that it is/will be a waste of time and money. I see CBT as a huge factor in that association. It is a system that fails millions. Regarding any connection to Jungian theory or research, I see them as approaching from entirely opposite angles. Jung focused on the unconscious mind, dream analysis and all that was deep seated. CBT focuses entirely on present-day, conscious thoughts and actively changing specific behavioral patterns.
Steven Weill
@weill
Also as an aside, I wouldn't recommend Jungian Analysis as a primary modality for nearly anyone. It is also extremely slow moving, has nearly infinite sprawl and therefore ends up being extraordinarily expensive long term. Also in the US at least, the number of Jungian therapists who take insurance is... I have never known a single one. I think it is an amazing and fascinating complement to other types of therapy, or can be leveraged effectively as a smaller component within someone's diverse practice.
Michael
@curious
Thanks, Steven. I take your word for that system fails millions and is broken. I'm sad to hear that. :( My CBT insight stems solely from my own seeking journey, self experiments, and having read and listened to Aaron Beck and his students David D. Burns and colleague Arlene Weissman. Jung connection: The (collective) consciousness, in my understanding, contains all polarities. What CBT helps with is to get both polarities into awareness. For example, your conscious thought may be "I'm stupid"... and then CBT invites, out of the shadow, the opposite thought "I'm brilliant". That may be extremely uncomfortable. However, having both polarities there, they have a chance to integrate. And if you're lucky, you might get a glimpse of "the mind in the mind" and see that "the story of me" creates the suffering. Of course, Beck doesn't use this language (although he quotes the Stoics), but in spirit that's what I see it doing. It's the training wheels towards deeper inquiry for the seeker.
Michael
@curious
Anyhow, I'm reminded of Maslow: "it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail." :)
Michael
@curious
And sometimes the hammer is exactly what you want... to shine a spotlight on: black-and-white thinking, overgeneralization, mind reading, etc. which are so pervasive in our culture; that can remove a lot of suffering.

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